It’s not hard. Or at least it shouldn’t be. Disband DEI. Allow free speech. Ban heckling, intimidation or anything else that gets in the way of the free speech of others. Enforce bans with suspensions and expulsions. Problem solved.
Allow me to say something reasonable. It is good the universities are being sued. It is also logical that they are adjusting accordingly. Losing a well publicized lawsuit because you hate Jews isn’t a look that most universities want. However, it would be nice to see one lawsuit gain enough traction to where damages are awarded.
Roughly half of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi or Sephardic (i.e., Middle East, Central Asia, North Africa). They were expelled or cleansed or fled to Israel to escape persecution or death after Israel was founded. They are now living in Israel, but not safe, since they are still being pursued by those who expelled them.
Any DEI program that gives preference to people of the same region who are not Jewish (over those who are Jewish), is obviously illegal. It is also, obviously immoral.
There is one way that is absolutely guaranteed to fix the situation completely. All you have to do is pass a law stating that no degrees granted by any university in one or more of the following categories will be recognized by the federal government - in other words, degrees from these universities will not be accepted in applications for any federal jobs:
1) Any university on which any students or faculty are allowed to threaten other students or faculty.
2) Any university in which student meetings are disrupted by students or faculty.
3) Any university in which race, religion, origin, or national identity is used in accepting students or hiring staff.
4) Any university in which violence occurs on a large scale.
5) Any university in which people demonstrate with their faces masked.
6) Any university in which free speech is violated on a large scale.
7) Any university in which faculty practices discrimination against students or other faculty on the basis of opinion, race, religion, origin, or national identity.
The beauty of such legislation is that it makes the universities responsible for everything that happens on campus and for enforcement of their supposed principles.
No university can afford non-recognition of its degrees, because no student will attend a university whose degrees will render them ineligible for federal jobs, so the universities will all fall over themselves to rectify the situation without any intervention by the government other than the withholding of degree recognition.
Any university in any of the above categories has no right to call itself a university.
I'm for free speech but colleges that don't allow racial slurs against other groups shouldn't allow them against Jews. If a college wouldn't permit students to carry signs or chant "Kill all the blacks," they shouldn't allow protesters to proclaim "Kill all the Jews." This doesn't mean shutting down debate about the war in Gaza, but plainly antisemetic messages aren't debate.
These kids are so emotionally weak and anxious that they will alternatively plead for answers like a child and berate an adult like a sullen preteen. And yet none of their behavior is anything resembling mature or adult-like. The kids are definitively not alright.
Although not directly on point this is a beautiful example of the distinction between pure democracy and the republic form thereof. While both recognize that power rests in the people, the republic form protects those people not part of the main group. In this scenario in a pure democracy the pro-Palestine faction prevails because it is the majority apparently. But in a republic the rights of the Jewish students are protected.
"That incident is just one example of a disturbing trend that has swept American campuses since the October 7 atrocities against Israel."
Really? Is THAT when this disturbing trend started? Are you FUCKING joking?
Jeezus H Masterblasting Christ on a fucking cracker you'd have to be as dumb as a subscriber to the New Yorker or the New York Times to believe that this "trend" started on October 7. No. You only just started paying attention...
Although the lawsuits will change behavior and may begin to change people's views, I'm not sure they will change people's hearts. However, I'm glad to see that people and universities who are antisemitic are being forced to account for their behavior publicly.
Hit these universities in the pocket book. And in their brand status. The Gen Z students may be fine going to one of these schools, but their parents may be less fine paying for it…when “this” is what they might get for their $.
Harvard and Penn have already shown that $ talks. Let’s keep it going. Good on these lawyers working on this.
DEI cannot be reformed. That it only hiding the threat and allowing it to grow and evolve. DEI is religious totalitarianism and it must be banished and ended completely for the sake of civil democratic society.
Yes, DEI was a hypothesis that was forced everywhere while free speech was squelched. The DI movement from the late 90s was hijacked and an E was added and then the definition was reintroduced as equal outcome instead of equal opportunity. We have lived the consequences. It is nice to see that people are working and sacrificing their efforts to confront these destructive practices. May the progress continue.
I (a Gentile) agree with Kenneth Marcus that the entire DEI model should be dismantled and ask only that he broaden the basis of his opposition ("Jews will too often be defined as oppressors and told to own their privilege") so as to include people like me and my family.
I'm hoping he wouldn't approve of DEI if he thought his coreligionists could stake out a secure position in the oppressed camp.
It doesn't help that the NYT article about Kenneth Marcus listed only examples of campus antisemitism that were marginally or arguably not antisemitic such as complaints about roommates saying that Palestinians have rights. None of the strongly antisemitic events dilineated by Marcus in the above article were mentioned. This gave the false appearance that a cabal of wealthy Jewish alumni are pulling the strings. But I guess that was the whole point of the NYT article.
It should read European looking Cubans and Lebanese and Syrians and some Iraqis and Kurds too.....Argentines? Are they also now poc. It's insane. this hate isn't new...it was stirring when I was a kid at unveristy....so now it explode out of the undercurrent of student life and is making life at university for any free thinking kid a trial and a challenge.
It’s not hard. Or at least it shouldn’t be. Disband DEI. Allow free speech. Ban heckling, intimidation or anything else that gets in the way of the free speech of others. Enforce bans with suspensions and expulsions. Problem solved.
Allow me to say something reasonable. It is good the universities are being sued. It is also logical that they are adjusting accordingly. Losing a well publicized lawsuit because you hate Jews isn’t a look that most universities want. However, it would be nice to see one lawsuit gain enough traction to where damages are awarded.
DEI: Didn't Earn It.
Roughly half of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi or Sephardic (i.e., Middle East, Central Asia, North Africa). They were expelled or cleansed or fled to Israel to escape persecution or death after Israel was founded. They are now living in Israel, but not safe, since they are still being pursued by those who expelled them.
Any DEI program that gives preference to people of the same region who are not Jewish (over those who are Jewish), is obviously illegal. It is also, obviously immoral.
These lawsuits are at best palliatives.
There is one way that is absolutely guaranteed to fix the situation completely. All you have to do is pass a law stating that no degrees granted by any university in one or more of the following categories will be recognized by the federal government - in other words, degrees from these universities will not be accepted in applications for any federal jobs:
1) Any university on which any students or faculty are allowed to threaten other students or faculty.
2) Any university in which student meetings are disrupted by students or faculty.
3) Any university in which race, religion, origin, or national identity is used in accepting students or hiring staff.
4) Any university in which violence occurs on a large scale.
5) Any university in which people demonstrate with their faces masked.
6) Any university in which free speech is violated on a large scale.
7) Any university in which faculty practices discrimination against students or other faculty on the basis of opinion, race, religion, origin, or national identity.
The beauty of such legislation is that it makes the universities responsible for everything that happens on campus and for enforcement of their supposed principles.
No university can afford non-recognition of its degrees, because no student will attend a university whose degrees will render them ineligible for federal jobs, so the universities will all fall over themselves to rectify the situation without any intervention by the government other than the withholding of degree recognition.
Any university in any of the above categories has no right to call itself a university.
I'm for free speech but colleges that don't allow racial slurs against other groups shouldn't allow them against Jews. If a college wouldn't permit students to carry signs or chant "Kill all the blacks," they shouldn't allow protesters to proclaim "Kill all the Jews." This doesn't mean shutting down debate about the war in Gaza, but plainly antisemetic messages aren't debate.
These kids are so emotionally weak and anxious that they will alternatively plead for answers like a child and berate an adult like a sullen preteen. And yet none of their behavior is anything resembling mature or adult-like. The kids are definitively not alright.
Although not directly on point this is a beautiful example of the distinction between pure democracy and the republic form thereof. While both recognize that power rests in the people, the republic form protects those people not part of the main group. In this scenario in a pure democracy the pro-Palestine faction prevails because it is the majority apparently. But in a republic the rights of the Jewish students are protected.
"That incident is just one example of a disturbing trend that has swept American campuses since the October 7 atrocities against Israel."
Really? Is THAT when this disturbing trend started? Are you FUCKING joking?
Jeezus H Masterblasting Christ on a fucking cracker you'd have to be as dumb as a subscriber to the New Yorker or the New York Times to believe that this "trend" started on October 7. No. You only just started paying attention...
Although the lawsuits will change behavior and may begin to change people's views, I'm not sure they will change people's hearts. However, I'm glad to see that people and universities who are antisemitic are being forced to account for their behavior publicly.
Hit these universities in the pocket book. And in their brand status. The Gen Z students may be fine going to one of these schools, but their parents may be less fine paying for it…when “this” is what they might get for their $.
Harvard and Penn have already shown that $ talks. Let’s keep it going. Good on these lawyers working on this.
DEI cannot be reformed. That it only hiding the threat and allowing it to grow and evolve. DEI is religious totalitarianism and it must be banished and ended completely for the sake of civil democratic society.
Yes, DEI was a hypothesis that was forced everywhere while free speech was squelched. The DI movement from the late 90s was hijacked and an E was added and then the definition was reintroduced as equal outcome instead of equal opportunity. We have lived the consequences. It is nice to see that people are working and sacrificing their efforts to confront these destructive practices. May the progress continue.
I (a Gentile) agree with Kenneth Marcus that the entire DEI model should be dismantled and ask only that he broaden the basis of his opposition ("Jews will too often be defined as oppressors and told to own their privilege") so as to include people like me and my family.
I'm hoping he wouldn't approve of DEI if he thought his coreligionists could stake out a secure position in the oppressed camp.
https://thefamilyproperty.blogspot.com/2022/11/never-draws-near.html
It doesn't help that the NYT article about Kenneth Marcus listed only examples of campus antisemitism that were marginally or arguably not antisemitic such as complaints about roommates saying that Palestinians have rights. None of the strongly antisemitic events dilineated by Marcus in the above article were mentioned. This gave the false appearance that a cabal of wealthy Jewish alumni are pulling the strings. But I guess that was the whole point of the NYT article.
It should read European looking Cubans and Lebanese and Syrians and some Iraqis and Kurds too.....Argentines? Are they also now poc. It's insane. this hate isn't new...it was stirring when I was a kid at unveristy....so now it explode out of the undercurrent of student life and is making life at university for any free thinking kid a trial and a challenge.