“The killer was, in fact, a man named Rudy Guede—an immigrant from the Ivory Coast who had been arrested a week earlier in Milan for burglarizing a school.”
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Again with the recurring theme where none of the people who actually need to be in prison are in prison.
This is why I am fine with sending the people looting Nordstrom to prison for 5 years.
Nobody who is normal ever does that. Only psychopaths use sledgehammers to steal jewelry. The next thing they do will be worse.
“Oh but it’s because of poverty.”
Nope. Like 1/3rd of the population is in poverty. If poverty made you do that, we all would have died from sledgehammer wounds 20 years ago.
Tangential rant over.
(obviously you first need to make sure that they actually robbed Nordstrom)
As a fellow Seattle person, Amanda’s story was one of the first times I remember looking around at everyone and being like
“You guys know this is fake, right?”
And then everyone was like
“I don’t know maybe she did it. It’s on the news.”
And then I was like
“Are you high?”
Of course I had previously realized that everyone is dumb when my incredibly rich uncle tried to explain to me, as a youngster, why stocks go up when a stock splits. I was right about that as well. I was 10 at the time.
Right from the beginning, the charges against Amanda were absurd. I never believed she played any part in the rape/murder as the entire story appeared concocted by inept cops and prosecutors and I wondered where our government was when a young American girl was being so grossly abused and persecuted by a supposedly friendly government. Anyone with a firing neuron and a healthy skepticism would have thought that the least likely explanation for the murder - a lurid and fantastic lie - would have been a poor basis for Amanda's prosecution. And now the poor woman will be forever linked with a crime she clearly did not commit. The people sitting in jail should have been the idiotic Italian cops and prosecutors.
I think there's a very large difference between being falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit and being accused of a crime you did commit with a (male) accomplice. Other than all involving women on trial, I don't see much similarity between your case and those of Holmes and Maxwell. They each continued in their criminal activity for years. Their crimes were their lives. You were falsely accused of an event that happened in an evening that you weren't involved in. I just don't see what lessons for them we can draw from you.
Weak. Perhaps all that the author has in common with Maxwell and Holmes is gender. Good for her! Why is that a reason to conflate the three examples and their alleged offenses and argue that their gender magnifies the profile of their activities. Let’s stop tooting the horn on the miscarriage of justice that apparently occurred in Perugia and not it let it detract from the very real victims of these present examples, and mainly the defenseless young girls who were exploited for that same gender.
The cases of Amanda Knox, Ghislaine Maxwell and Elizabeth Holmes are not at all similar. While final judgement should be reserved pending jury verdicts, it seems fair to say that Ms. Maxwell and Ms. Holmes are probably guilty as charged. Not so in the case of Ms. Knox, who was terrorized into confessing to a crime she obviously did not commit. This was a thing very unlikely if not impossible to have happened to her in America, where she would have had family support and legal representation.
Of course, it's quite possible that both women were under the influence of the men close to them. The question is: To what extent? So much so that they quite lost the ability to make independent judgements about their behavior and its consequences? Surely there would be evidence for that level of dominance. If so, we can expect to see it presented during trial. Personally, I doubt that such evidence will be forthcoming.
Over the last two years how many times have we read an article or heard a statement impugning the US justice system and the two little words mentioned by Amanda : due process. Something to keep in mind the next time you hear another politician, pundit or celebrity denigrate the Constitution. This is not to say that we are perfect or that justice is not denied in various cases, but those who attack the "system" have shown they care little for due process when it comes to their political foes or those who fail to toe the lines they draw as to what is okay to say or think or believe.
Amanda Knox's view of her own illegal imprisonment is interesting and I was happy to read it. But it has nothing to do with the trials of Maxwell and Holmes. There is no connection other than they are all female, so this essay makes no sense.
In Canada we have Karla Homolka. She helped her husband Paul Bernardo murder three young women, including her own sister. She claimed abuse and made a plea deal. Then the videos of her participation in the rapes and killings surfaced. She served a measly twelve years for her unspeakable crimes. I hope that Maxwell pays for what she clearly did.
Amanda Knox was railroaded by overzealous Italian police, no doubt about it. As for Maxwell, she's being tried and convicted in the media of something that may not have actually occurred. Bear in mind that the women accusing her are also suing the Epstein estate in hopes of getting money, a lot of money, for his alleged crimes. I've sort of been following this for years. The media calls Epstein a pedophile but his alleged victims weren't children, they were teenagers who, in most cases, went willingly to give him massages. Yes, he had a thing for being massaged by teenage girls, who he paid an average of $300 a piece for their services. One woman claims he had sex with her in New Mexico after her flying her out there from New York in his private jet, which would be a Federal offense if it actually happened. One accuser, Virginia Guiffre, has been completely discredited in the past. She was employed as a masseuse at Donald Trump's Mar Largo Resort when she was offered a job and a scholarship by Epstein. There is evidence she was actually out of her teens when she took the job. (She could be well in her twenties in the famous photograph of her with Prince Andrew or she could be in her late teens.) The main reason it's too bad Epstein died is that the truth will never be known. When money is involved, people's "memories" go wild.
Interesting story and conclusions. What is interesting is the pressure on the lowest rung on the investigative ladder. In your case I don't know the profile of the Italian criminal justice system. A 53 hour interrogation alone should b thrown out and any confession abrogated.
But to get back to my first point. It should be noted that most all horrible crimes come with huge pressures from all aspects of society and the political world to "get it solved" and blame someone --anyone.
Usually the entire matter rests on the integrity and honesty of the individual police making the case. Way too often these traits are sorely lacking and those same police officers fall victim to those above them and society itself's needs, demands and hysteria. Most police actually believe their own concocted explanation for the crime. Those cases are the perfect storm of social coercion, self delusion and rewards for getting the person responsible.
Even Jesus Christ fell victim to this dynamic. That society and its power structure needed a scapegoat and he was preordained before charges were even levied. In these high profile cases there are usually many "victims" with the accused playing the lead in this psychodrama played out in the media and whatever Court system is utilized to validate the "results."
The Innocent Project and the use of DNA has exposed the major flaws in societies mass delusions of the 'fair justice system." Crazy thing is when any innocent person is "convicted" then exonerated no one is held to account nor is an apology offered. Money changes hands and it is on to the next horrific case without much self reflection.
Why are you sullying an excellent substack with a self-absorbed "justice warrior" who in all likelihood killed a young woman?
There are so many excellent writers, from Bari, on down. This person has cast their lot with the very people who would destroy free speech, and instead of it being about a grievous societal wrong, it's all about HER.
“The killer was, in fact, a man named Rudy Guede—an immigrant from the Ivory Coast who had been arrested a week earlier in Milan for burglarizing a school.”
————————————————-
Again with the recurring theme where none of the people who actually need to be in prison are in prison.
This is why I am fine with sending the people looting Nordstrom to prison for 5 years.
Nobody who is normal ever does that. Only psychopaths use sledgehammers to steal jewelry. The next thing they do will be worse.
“Oh but it’s because of poverty.”
Nope. Like 1/3rd of the population is in poverty. If poverty made you do that, we all would have died from sledgehammer wounds 20 years ago.
Tangential rant over.
(obviously you first need to make sure that they actually robbed Nordstrom)
This is an interesting read but Holmes and Maxwell’s situations are totally different. They are like apples and oranges.
As a fellow Seattle person, Amanda’s story was one of the first times I remember looking around at everyone and being like
“You guys know this is fake, right?”
And then everyone was like
“I don’t know maybe she did it. It’s on the news.”
And then I was like
“Are you high?”
Of course I had previously realized that everyone is dumb when my incredibly rich uncle tried to explain to me, as a youngster, why stocks go up when a stock splits. I was right about that as well. I was 10 at the time.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Right from the beginning, the charges against Amanda were absurd. I never believed she played any part in the rape/murder as the entire story appeared concocted by inept cops and prosecutors and I wondered where our government was when a young American girl was being so grossly abused and persecuted by a supposedly friendly government. Anyone with a firing neuron and a healthy skepticism would have thought that the least likely explanation for the murder - a lurid and fantastic lie - would have been a poor basis for Amanda's prosecution. And now the poor woman will be forever linked with a crime she clearly did not commit. The people sitting in jail should have been the idiotic Italian cops and prosecutors.
I think there's a very large difference between being falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit and being accused of a crime you did commit with a (male) accomplice. Other than all involving women on trial, I don't see much similarity between your case and those of Holmes and Maxwell. They each continued in their criminal activity for years. Their crimes were their lives. You were falsely accused of an event that happened in an evening that you weren't involved in. I just don't see what lessons for them we can draw from you.
Weak. Perhaps all that the author has in common with Maxwell and Holmes is gender. Good for her! Why is that a reason to conflate the three examples and their alleged offenses and argue that their gender magnifies the profile of their activities. Let’s stop tooting the horn on the miscarriage of justice that apparently occurred in Perugia and not it let it detract from the very real victims of these present examples, and mainly the defenseless young girls who were exploited for that same gender.
This post is poorly argued. Its labored attempt to find some commonality and sympathy for all three women simply does not work.
The cases of Amanda Knox, Ghislaine Maxwell and Elizabeth Holmes are not at all similar. While final judgement should be reserved pending jury verdicts, it seems fair to say that Ms. Maxwell and Ms. Holmes are probably guilty as charged. Not so in the case of Ms. Knox, who was terrorized into confessing to a crime she obviously did not commit. This was a thing very unlikely if not impossible to have happened to her in America, where she would have had family support and legal representation.
Of course, it's quite possible that both women were under the influence of the men close to them. The question is: To what extent? So much so that they quite lost the ability to make independent judgements about their behavior and its consequences? Surely there would be evidence for that level of dominance. If so, we can expect to see it presented during trial. Personally, I doubt that such evidence will be forthcoming.
Over the last two years how many times have we read an article or heard a statement impugning the US justice system and the two little words mentioned by Amanda : due process. Something to keep in mind the next time you hear another politician, pundit or celebrity denigrate the Constitution. This is not to say that we are perfect or that justice is not denied in various cases, but those who attack the "system" have shown they care little for due process when it comes to their political foes or those who fail to toe the lines they draw as to what is okay to say or think or believe.
Amanda Knox's view of her own illegal imprisonment is interesting and I was happy to read it. But it has nothing to do with the trials of Maxwell and Holmes. There is no connection other than they are all female, so this essay makes no sense.
In Canada we have Karla Homolka. She helped her husband Paul Bernardo murder three young women, including her own sister. She claimed abuse and made a plea deal. Then the videos of her participation in the rapes and killings surfaced. She served a measly twelve years for her unspeakable crimes. I hope that Maxwell pays for what she clearly did.
Amanda Knox was railroaded by overzealous Italian police, no doubt about it. As for Maxwell, she's being tried and convicted in the media of something that may not have actually occurred. Bear in mind that the women accusing her are also suing the Epstein estate in hopes of getting money, a lot of money, for his alleged crimes. I've sort of been following this for years. The media calls Epstein a pedophile but his alleged victims weren't children, they were teenagers who, in most cases, went willingly to give him massages. Yes, he had a thing for being massaged by teenage girls, who he paid an average of $300 a piece for their services. One woman claims he had sex with her in New Mexico after her flying her out there from New York in his private jet, which would be a Federal offense if it actually happened. One accuser, Virginia Guiffre, has been completely discredited in the past. She was employed as a masseuse at Donald Trump's Mar Largo Resort when she was offered a job and a scholarship by Epstein. There is evidence she was actually out of her teens when she took the job. (She could be well in her twenties in the famous photograph of her with Prince Andrew or she could be in her late teens.) The main reason it's too bad Epstein died is that the truth will never be known. When money is involved, people's "memories" go wild.
Ms. Knox, thank you for your perspective on these trials. And I am so glad to hear your life is going well after the horror you went through.
Interesting story and conclusions. What is interesting is the pressure on the lowest rung on the investigative ladder. In your case I don't know the profile of the Italian criminal justice system. A 53 hour interrogation alone should b thrown out and any confession abrogated.
But to get back to my first point. It should be noted that most all horrible crimes come with huge pressures from all aspects of society and the political world to "get it solved" and blame someone --anyone.
Usually the entire matter rests on the integrity and honesty of the individual police making the case. Way too often these traits are sorely lacking and those same police officers fall victim to those above them and society itself's needs, demands and hysteria. Most police actually believe their own concocted explanation for the crime. Those cases are the perfect storm of social coercion, self delusion and rewards for getting the person responsible.
Even Jesus Christ fell victim to this dynamic. That society and its power structure needed a scapegoat and he was preordained before charges were even levied. In these high profile cases there are usually many "victims" with the accused playing the lead in this psychodrama played out in the media and whatever Court system is utilized to validate the "results."
The Innocent Project and the use of DNA has exposed the major flaws in societies mass delusions of the 'fair justice system." Crazy thing is when any innocent person is "convicted" then exonerated no one is held to account nor is an apology offered. Money changes hands and it is on to the next horrific case without much self reflection.
I am reading Malcolm Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" book in which he discussed the Amanda Knox story, along with many others.
Very illuminating as to what a person will "confess" to after extended questioning under duress.
Why are you sullying an excellent substack with a self-absorbed "justice warrior" who in all likelihood killed a young woman?
There are so many excellent writers, from Bari, on down. This person has cast their lot with the very people who would destroy free speech, and instead of it being about a grievous societal wrong, it's all about HER.